Panic Buying of fuel

Its that time again, someone somewhere says something and before you know it the whole country is out buying fuel.

This week has been our busiest ever, lots of people filling up cars with the wrong fuel, and its not 20 quiders either – its whole tanks.

If you are looking for places that still have petrol in london or looking for petrol stations that still have fuel then I hope you find it, driving around I cover a large area across london and the southeast and the one thing I have noticed is that if there is a que for fuel then the british public can’t resist joining it, but in the countryside if there is no que – they dont que and buy as normal, herd mentality I guess

Me? I stocked up, we get very busy if there is “a fuel crisis” as misfuellings tend to peak when fuel buying peaks (paydays etc), but we will have a quiet patch after the dust settles as everyone will be running around with full tanks and not needing to top up for a while

but the way these things go is in fits and starts and for the rest of the summer we can be sure that the “fuel crisis” will be rearing its head a few more times this year.

Tanker drivers? striking on 45K a year? who do they think they are – fueldrainers?

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How much does a fuel drain cost

chances are you need a fuel drain, or just had one if you are reading this.

the cost of a fuel drain from an independent fuel draining company  is between £145 & £250, the price depends on

1) distance from drainer

2) type of car (some cars require more complex drains such as volvo xc90 or twin tankd BMW’s & Mercedes, some Audi’s etc

3) whether the car has been driven on the wrong fuel and needs a fuel system flush, which is a straightforward procedure but tankes longer than just draining the tank.

 

the time of day or night does not really come into it, unless its a very unsocial hour, weekends, public holidays etc are all the same as a normal weekday.

a dealer may charge £4000 to £9000 for major fuel system and engine rebuilding, which in my opinion is mostly unnecessary.

The AA does do fuel drains and have a fleet of mobile fuel draining vans, they do charge members and cost about £230, they are quite often very busy and have long waiting period

The RAC have a few fuel draining vans but I havent seen many in the south east, they used to sub contract out most of their jobs to garages and fuel draining companies.

some dealerships will charge between 400 and 800 for a drain that does not involve pulling the engine to bits, but for some reason they often say they will take the tank off and swill it out.

your friendly local garage will charge the same as a fuel draining company, but you normally have to get the car to them

and of course you can do one yourself, or get a mechanically minded friend to help out.

 

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wrong fuel, the police, Nick Panchaud and the diesel key

Surely someone else has noticed the drip feeding of news stories based around freedom of information requests to various police and local authorities and how often they misfuel.

I was lost on google tonight and instead of watching the latest you tube potato cannon videos, I was researching wrong fuel (sad I know), after reading 2 or 3  ”news” articles about wrong fuel and the police/ambulance/local authorities etc, I thought there must be a bit of a pattern emerging, so I started sniffing and ended up on a “freedom of info” site and found that some guy called  ”Nick Panchaud” has made 838 Freedom of Information requests to government and local authority agencies, housing associations, fire brigades and all sorts, his modus operandi Is to send in the usual cut and paste FOI requests, and chase them up with the usual cut and paste nudges.

once he gets his FOI information back he releases a news story based around ….. some device he is selling that prevents motorist using the wrong fuel.

I can think of better ways to market a new product than asking the overstretched public sector to  trawl through years of vehicle service records, receipts, etc..

The Emergency services do a tough job, as it is, and yes they do occasionally misfuel, but no more than anyone else, the Met got a particularly hard bashing for this, but when you consider how many vehicles they have, it really is nothing to write home about.

We have attended many blue light misfuels, during the London Riots last year one of our drivers attended a Welsh police van in Croydon that had been misfueld with 10 armour suited riot police on board and a menacing crowd gathering across the road, our driver  didn’t even have the heart to charge them for a drainout, (and he didnt want to be hanging around to run a credit card either).

As for the misfuel prevention devices there are many of  them on the market and most of them work, halfords have about 4 different types in stock, the best one I know of is the annoying little robot that you stick to the fuel cap that starts yelling “diesel” “diesel” as soon as you open it.  - if you put the wrong fuel in after that you have no business leaving the house let alone driving a car.

see  http://davidcoveney.com/1928/freedom-of-information-is-abuse/#comment-1350 for further details about freedom of information abuse

The Freedom of information act is a powerful tool and used for the right reasons it is a good thing, abuses – especially commercially driven, bring a bad name to FOI, and tie up already overwhelmed public services…….. and  (time to put the boot in) as for his diesel key there are cheaper and better alternatives on the market

bit political for a fuel drainer eh?

 

 

 

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Fuel Drains London

We work all over london and can get to most jobs within 30 minutes between our 3 mobile fuel drianing vans.

Last week a colleague of mine who shall remain nameless (Darren), decided to save himself 10 quid, and pushed a customers car 200 yards to get it out of a congestion zone before he drained it, – darrens van was on the other side of the big C.

Darrens excuse was it was downhill, but the truth is darren would still have done it if it was uphill, the best part was the customer was sitting in the car steering, – it made his day!

We normally push cars every day, mostly off of petrol station forecourts and away from the pumps so its not that unusual.

The hardest was a 7.5 ton Iveco, I did that one myself but had to summon help from some passing gents, the easiest was a fiat 500, – a “one hander push”

If you need a fuel drain we service London, Surrey, sussex & kent, we have a van at junction 10 of the m23, another in croydon, and one in west london, we can do all makes and types of cars/vans and get you back on the road in 30 minutes – even if your car has driven and broken down becuase of wrong fuel.

 

If you need us, call us 24 hours a day 7 days a week, even at 3am on sundays a sleepy fuel drainer will arise from a slumber to come and help you out! -

Take care

The fuelman

 

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Best Car for driving on wrong fuel

and the winner is…………………. Mercedes 320 CDI !!! commonly used in the E class from 95 to 2002,  technically known as the 24 valve 6 pot “OM613″

These diesels are so rock hard – they could probably run on straight petrol!

I know this better than most since I own one, and have “recycled” mixed fuel into it, it drives perfectly and has done for 15.000 miles on contaminated fuel.

The downside is the exhuast smells funny, it doesn’t like starting on cold mornings and 4 out of the 6 injectors are not operating as they should which causes over-fuelling, not that Ime too botherd since overfuelling manifests itself in increased fuel consumption.

Anyone who knows that model of mercedes will be familier with the rust they suffer and mine is no different so I am happy to sacrifice it for a long term wrong fuel experiment.

I took it into a local mercedes specialist and to his credit he knew it had been run on “wrong fuel” within a couple of minutes, and it had finaly started to succumb to the bad fuel.

The car is still going strong and I suspect it may do so for a long time to come.

The long term effect of running a car for 15.000 miles on wrong fuel are

1) fuel economy dropped from 45 overall mpg to 35.

2) cold starting problems (can of easy start a month)

3) reads an error code if booted hard, fixed by turning off then on

4) 4 out of 6 injectors now playing up (note that some dealers try and say injectors are destroyed as soon as a car has been misfueld)

5) smokes on starting (white)

6) smell of burnt metal from exhuast

7) noise of gas (petrol fumes) gushing out when fuel cap opend

8) Failed an emission test (fixed with a dose of magic sauce)

9) 1 egr valve burnt to a crisp

I decided to run the car on mixed fuel to try and save a few pennies and also some of the mixed fuel batches we get are mostly diesel and it seemed to good to throw away, I have run the car on as much as 35% petrol and 65% diesel (the car is diesel) and have once needed to drain my own tank.

Having said that one of my friends  decided to try it on a ford transit and it wouldnt even run on a 10% petrol mix, and I have tried a few other cars that played up on 10% petrol in diesel as well

The car I am using is a high miler e320 cdi, with rust issues, and I would guess it to be worth about 1500 quid so I am happy to take the risk and if the car blows up tomorrow I will be about even between fuel saved and the cost of car including fuel related repairs.

I have seen the other end of the spectrum as well, with as little as 2 litres of petrol the inside of some plastic diesel tanks can turn into soft goo that jams up the fuel system and causes all kinds of woe.

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Put wrong fuel in car, now won’t start.

Quite often a car does not break down immediately after a misfueling,  assuming you’ve driven to a petrol station to buy your fuel – your cars engine will be hot, and a warm engine copes with wrong fuel much better than a cold engine.

This is the reason we attend so many call outs to peoples houses, or work places, – typically someone would misfuel, drive home without noticing, and then the car would refuse to start again from cold – often the next day.

Don’t worry, if you are reading this and you have a diesel car outside that wont start because of a wrong fueling – it most likely isn’t ruined , it just doesnt like petrol.

Diesel engines work on a compression ignition, the diesel fuel gets squashed in the piston until it auto ignites, this is what gives diesels better efficiency = the fuel burns at exactly the right time every time, Petrol ignites when a spark plug sparks, petrol is refined in such a way that it does not ignite under pressure – but waits for a spark, so the reason your diesel car refuses to start with the wrong fuel is simply because  petrol will not ignite without a spark, so calm down, your car isn’t wrecked – its just got the wrong fuel in it.

In the case of a car that has been driven with the wrong fuel we perform a standard fuel drain and remove the contaminated fuel that is in the tank, we then open the fuel lines as close to the engine as we can and then suck out the remaining bad fuel with our fuel scavenging equiptment, finally we put the correct fuel in and draw this up to the engine with our pump, so when we start the car – the correct fuel is injected into the pistons.

This is where our experience and expertise comes in, there is some magic sauce and know how to quickly and safely getting a car started after a misfuel, if it is done wrong, or by an enthusiastic DIY mechanic –  starter motors can get burnt out, fuel lines not reconnected properly, batteries flattened, or at worst a fire.

If you have misfuelled and your car won’t start, call us, or any experienced fuel draining mechanic, its a simple fix and takes less than an hour.

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How far will a car drive with wrong fuel?

This is a question allot of people ask if they are unsure of whether or not they have put the wrong fuel in the car.

The answer differs greatly, some cars die before they leave the forecourt, some can drive for 200 miles or even more but refuse to start again from cold, it is best answered by giving you the facts and you can work it out yourself

1) when you misfuel the percentage of wrong fuel matters, the more wrong fuel generally the early the engine refuses to run

2) there is between 500ml and a litre of fuel in the filters and pumps, after misfuelling when you start the engine it will be running on the clean fuel in the system that you had when you arrived at the pump, this can take between 10 seconds and 10 minutes to effect the engine

3) on an already hot engine many diesel cars will drive (albeit rough) with petrol in them, the problem starts when the car is left overnight and refuses to start in the morning, flat batterys after a misfuel is a common occurance from people trying to start the car not knowing they have misfueld.

4) the type of engine matters, sophisticated highly tuned diesel’s are more sensitive to fuelling issues, the sporty volkswagon diesels in particular – but they recover fine after a fuel drain

5) driving at a steady speed with misfuel will get you further than stop start traffic, this is not always the case but what i have seen suggests it

6) taking any chances is not worth the risk, if you misfueld  would you rather get your car drained down on a well lit petrol station forecourt with ample supplies of coffee and cake whilst you wait 45 minutes for a fuel drainer to arrive – and be on the road in 30 minutes after he arrives  , or take the chance of sitting  by the side of the road broken down at neither a place or time of your choosing whilst waiting for a recovery vehicle?

7) If you have any doubt you have misfueld or put petrol in your diesel its well worth carrying out an olfactory test, go on have a sniff! if your diesel tank smells like petrol – even just a wincy bit then it is

hope that helps

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wrong fuel & filling up habits

Having drained the wrong fuel from thousands of cars I have spent more time on petrol station forecourts than most.

Every wrong fuel removal involves putting a flexitube into a fuel tank and letting a pump do its thing, on a corsa with 5 litres this may take 5 minutes, a rangerover with 100 litres of wrong fuel in it, or an Iveco van may take an hour, there’s not much to do in this time other than monitor the fuel system and chat with the customers, in between daydreaming I find myself playing the “how much game”, thats where I watch cars coming into the petrol station and try and guess how much they will fuel they will buy before they pump, different stations have different clientele, BP M&S for example tends to have a higher spending customer who will often fill the tanks up, it surprises me still how many people fill up with fivers and tenners – which must be a daily fill up.

I cant stand filling up, so when I do its always to the top from empty, but next time your in a petrol station look at the pumps and see what the last sale was, it would give you a fairly good idea of the clientele of the petrol station and the area your in

There’s also a loyalty to specific stations, some people turn up at the same time and place every week for the top up, and often misfuel when they go off the beaten track and try somewhere new. ive done the same car 3 times in two months in the same station that had been misfuelld, always on a friday night after she had done her weekly shop, I didnt have the heart to charge for the 2nd and 3rd drains but it still cost her 2 full tanks of wasted fuel, I havent seen here for a while and fingers crossed she has learnt her lesson

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Petrol In Diesel BMW x5

Had a call from a distraught lady yesterday who had put petrol in her diesel BMW x5, she had it recovered to the dealership last week and after 4 days got the “estimate” in – £6500.

It wasent the highest repair quote I have heard for repairing a misfuel but it was still a bit steep – considering the work didnt need done.

A bmw engine is no pansy, capable of operating in temperatures from -30c to +50, running for 250.000 between major rebuilds, and lasting for 20 years pushing a heavy car body at high speed – does not have an in built “self distruct” function when it detects petrol in a diesel engine.

Misfuelling is a common occurrence and happens all the time, it is a myth that petrol will destroy your diesel engine or that common rail components need replaced.

In the case of the Lady in west london she had been told that major work was needed including replacing fuel tank, hoses, high pressure fuel pump, in tank pump, piezo injectors etc, all not needed.

I met her at the dealership (where I have done 4 similair drains on misfuelld BMW’s) and the dealer staff were helpful and let me do the fuel drain in the premises, it took all of 35 minutes and after a flush and filling up with the wrong fuel she drove away in her beloved x5.

Fuel drains are the way forward, the AA and RAC both have a large fuel draining fleet and they  wouldnt be in the business if it opend them up to liabilities further down the line.

The truth is cars can deal with a misfuel, it doesnt kill them or destroy the engines or pumps, its not great for the tank, and can corrode hoses and internal rubbers if left for too long but it doesn’t cause the catastrophes that the dealers would like you to believe.

If you have misfuelled a car and it is in the dealers it not too late to get a fuel drain, and dont get taken in by empty threats of warranty invalidation, you can always quote the Eu Block Exmption Rule which put an end to the dealers shady practices of adding clauses to warrantes on cars to nobble consumers.

thats about enough from me

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Petrol In a Diesel Fiat Multipla

I have done a few fuel drains on Fiats recently so if you have put the wrong fuel in your Fiat Panda or unleaded In your Doble or diesel in your petrol 500 – we can help.

Fiats are easy cars to perform fuel drains, being front wheel drive they have simple fuel tank set ups and are easy to access.

Fiat has a some great little diesel cars out at the moment, and I like working on them. this particular fiat that I did had been hire from choices vehicle rentals and the client had hired the car from gatwick.

If  you have misfueld your fiat give me, or any other mobile fuel drainer a call and you will be back up and running again in an hour or so.

For instructions on how to do a diy fuel drain, providing you have the know how and a safe place to do it I would suggest going in through the back seat, this is done as follows on most fiat models

1) lift up back seat, this unclips with a hard tug (a proper hard tug – I,e a man tug)

2) unscrew the big steel collar holding the take sender, this is always so much easier if you read the direction arrows and loosen it in the direction indicated, try as you might you cannot take it off by tightening it.

3) disconnect fuel lines and electrical sender

4) lift out in tank fuel pump and put your own hose into the tank to take out the mixed fuel

5) once empty put it all back together again

Only perform a DIY fuel drain if you are technically minded and fully aware of the forces of Darwinism at work when working with highly volatile, flammable and explosive nature of petrol.

For the sake of safety mixed fuel should be treated as PETROL no matter what the quantity involved, petrol is a different animal than diesel and creates an explosive vapour in temperatures above 5c (thats cold)

Hope that helps, call me if your stuck or something with a blue flashing light if it goes totally tits up.

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Does petrol float on top of diesel?

Does petrol float on top of diesel? or does diesel float on top of petrol?.

Petrol weighs 737.22 grams per litre, (water weighs 1000 grams per litre)

Diesel weighs 840 grams per litre.

When diesel and petrol mix they blend and cannot be separated by taking fuel off the top or bottom.

when you put the wrong fuel in a vehicle it mixes in no particular order, some may say that the diesel will go to the bottom or the petrol will float harmlessly on top, have been dealing with mixed fuel as long as I have I can assure you this is not the case

I have had my mixed fuel tested a few times and had samples taken from the bottom and top of the storage tanks after they had sat for several weeks, the mixed fuel taken from the top is more “petroly” but still has allot diesel in it, and the mixed fuel at the bottom is more “diesely” but again has petrol in it.

If you have mixed fuel in the tank of your car do not assume that there is a higher or lower portion of anything at the bottom where it feeds into the pump, for one thing the fuel pumped in will be cold, the fuel in the car will be warm from the return line heat, when you put new fuel in it will mix with the old fuel as milk does in coffee.

Some armchair experts will offer advice to as to petrol being on the top or bottom but that is just guess work and not advice worth ruining your car over

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Fueltank drain plug

Many people assume that there is a “drain valve” on a cars fuel tank.

If only it was so simple!, since the mid eighties most fuel tanks are made from plastic and plastic fuel tanks do not lend themselves to having drain off points.

Whereas old steel tanks had a simple sump plug at a low point they could easily be drained out.

The reason steel tanks needed a plug point was to clean the sludge out of the bottom of the tank which was a build up of rust deposits and gunk, which got into the system if the tank got low and the dregs got pulled into the fuel pump (hence why older drivers have a habit of never letting a fuel tank get empty )

Plastic tanks are far superior to steel ones in many ways, they dont rust, can be made into more exotic shapes that squeeze every nook and cranny of available space out of the underneath of the car, they are more resilient in a crash and will tolerate greater stress, and of course they are cheaper to make, but….. they dont have drain plugs.

So back to your problem of trying to get the wrong fuel out of your car, if youre determined to do it yourself then here’s your choices

1) go through the top of the tank which is accessed from under the back seat

2) use the cars own pump to push the fuel out, this can be done by disconnecting the fuel supply line to the engine and tricking the cars “brain” into turning the fuel pump on and emptying itself into a container that you have put the supply hose into

3) using a pump (must be suitable for petrol) to pull the fuel out of the filler neck, – unless you have the right equipment this method isn’t worth the effort

4) get a pickaxe and burst a hole in the bottom of the tank and let gravity do its thing

5) call a fuel draining company, the aa, the rac – or even us!

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Wrong Fuel In HDI engine

Some people think that HDI engines are ruined by having wrong fuel in them.

This is not the case, an HDI engine is High pressure Direct Injection, aka common rail, or CDI.

these engines are not damaged by a small amount of wrong fuel over a short distance, the doomsayer that say petrol will destroy a HDI pump or ruin the injectors are over enthusiastic arm chair mechanics, the forums are full of them.

The theory is a diesel pump is lubricated by the diesel in it and when its loaded with petrol it “strips” the metal and the metal grinds into shavings and this gets pulled into the piezo injectors and this mangels the injectors 1 by 1 and the car comes to a grinding halt and costs thousands to fix, in the fuel draining business the technical term for this is “bollocks”

What actually happens is when you put in the wrong fuel in any quantity the car will stop running before it hurts itself, sort of like a failsafe, and if the car can run on the wrong fuel mix you have – then its not that wrong, in summary no diesel car will even turn over on the ammount of petrol required to ruin it – or for long enough.

Usualy it goes something like this, you fill up at night, and start driving home the car acts a bit rough as you pull into your house and in the morning it refuses to start, this can leave some people with the impression that the car has now been ruined and the wrong fuel cdi/hdi thingimajig all went wrong and now it needs major work…..

What actually happend was you filled up the wrong fuelbut the filter and fuel lines and pumps still had clean fuel in them, you got home but as you drove the petrol started to work its way into the engine – so it felt rough, but since the engine was already hot it somehow just manages to go, however when you tried to start it in the morning it doesnt start at all – its not ruined! its just cold and full of the wrong fuel, this is when you should call for a fuel drain, it takes 30 minutes and your car will be fine, you will have joined the ranks of 5 million other motorists who have misfuelled and it really isnt the end of the world.

The Fact is, if a car has been misfuelled, it can be fixed, we have done close to 8000 fuel drains and I can count on one hand the amount of cars we couldn’t fix, and I certainly wouldn’t charge for a car I cant fix, that said we have seen cars that have had 2 things at once go wrong with them and it was nothing to do with the wrong fuel, but that doesnt happen often at all.

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Wrong Fuel In a Ford

The Ford Fiesta is supposed to be britains best selling car, but oddly not the most misfueld car, we get a fair few fords with the wrong fuel that need a fuel drain.

The most common car we attend is VW’s – who also ran a famous ad about putting petrol in diesels.

Some new fords are fitted with the “anti misfuelling device” this is a mechanical device on the filler neck that is supposed to stop the wrong fuel from being put in, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt – we do get called out to drain fords that have a misfuelling device they are often activated during filling – but not after a heavy dose of the wrong fuel has gone through the neck.

Fords are easy to drain, but the ford transit needs a bit of special attention if it has had the wrong fuel in it and driven until it conks out, this requires a fuel drain, fuel flush and then the fuel line needs bled on the return feed, this pulls the last of the wrong stuff out of the common rail and injectors, its one of the few engine types that need this treatment along with audi 2.5s among others

Most fords are front wheel drive which makes for nice simple fuel tanks that do not have double cells and do not pose a challenge when draining, it normally takes between 25 to 45 minutes to drain a ford depending on whether it has been driven and how much is in the tank.

Ford have quite a few small diesel engines out and some of them are highly tuned, petrol will not do any permanent damage if it is drained promptly and flushed through the system so dont worry about any long term damage to the common rail or injectors – they will be just fine.

If you have put petrol in your diesel ford and want to take it out yourself just pull up the back seat and access the fuel tank from the top, you can unscrew the steel ring that holds the sender in the tank and syphon the fuel out, but if you have driven it I would suggest a professional flush to get it going again because the fuel in the pipes and filter will stay contaminated and the engine will not fire up – flattening your battery or worse burning out the starter motor from continuos cranking.

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Honda UK – goodguys!

Just had a call from a lady who had put petrol in a diesel honda earlyer today, she phoned the honda dealership and they collected the car with a low loader. (after she had driven it for 10 minutes)

After having the car sitting in the garage for a few days she had a call informing her that it was going to cost 4 thousand pounds to fix.

She got her breath back she started surfing the net for more information and found our site, she then called honda uk and told them what had happend and that the dealer wanted 4k for a rebuild, Honda told her to go ahead with a £180 fuel drain from us and go on holiday with the change.

Its good to hear that not all manufacturers are skinning the customers.

update; the job was done and started fine as per usual and she drove home from the garage in it – another happy cusomer

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Wrong Fuel RangeRover Sport

A common call out for us is to owners of range rover sport diesels that have been filld with the wrong fuel, ie petrol in a diesel range rover sport.

Firstly it is a straightforward job to empty a rangerover fuel tank, there is a “misfuel” prevention device installed in most newer range rovers, range rover sports and landrovers, this is a little set of mechanisms in the filler neck that detect a petrol nozzle by its sive and activate a little spring loaded yellow flap that closes and stops the fuel tank from being filld further, well thats the theory but in practice it will only acivate it a petrol nozzle is pushed right into it, and it will not activate if the petrol nozzle is put in at a slant, we get called out to these at least once a week much to the surprise of the owners who thought they could not misfuel.

The averidge range rover/landrover driver tends to fill their cars to the top so a misfuel is usualy no half measure.

If you have misfueld you will often phone your dealership, who will most likely ask you to have the car recoverd to them for “extensive repairs” this is normally unnecessary.

We often get called out by rangerover drivers who have used the wrong fuel and their car is in the dealership, and they call us after surfing the net for a while, we are happy to collect your car from the dealership if work has not been started on it, and after we have performed a fuel drain and resupplied you with the correct fuel, you can simply drive away.

Oddly the new freelander is the more complicated to drain out of the bunch, the brand new one has a hard to get to twin tank system and can only be drained by someone who knows what they are doing.

If you have accidently activated the misfuelling yellow flap, there is a re-set device in the boot or glovebox, it looks like a bright yellow pasta fork type thing and is very simple to use, the misfulling mechanism has no “memory” so it doesnt register that it has been activated and can be re-set as many times as you want.

picture of device

rangerover wrong fuel reset key

wrong fuel device rnge rover activated

range rover wrong fuel reset device

device for resetting misfueld range rover

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Wrong fuel in car

What do I do after putting wrong fuel in my car?

Is Petrol bad for a diesel engine? does it affect the common rail? drove a few miles with wrong fuel?

We get asked these questions all the time, and if you have been searching the net you would have noticed that there are quite a few opinions out there regarding wrong fuel and its consequences.

Putting petrol in a diesel car is easily done, and done much more often than people realise, we are one of many small independent businesses specialising in fuel drains, as well as the RAC AA and independent garages who do at least one a week,

If you have misfueld you have a few choices

1) “top up” with the right fuel and hope to dilute wrong fuel enough for engine to start, – NOT RECOMMENDED

2) call AA or RAC, they will either take you to a garage or drain it on the forecourt if they have availability, or most likely tow your car home and have one of their draining vans attend your house the next day, – cost 250+ and often a long wait

3) call the main dealer, (often done with newer cars), Main dealers have a bad habit of insisting a car needs new high pressure diesel pumps, injectors, fuel tank, fuel lines etc, often quoting £4000 to £7000 pounds, the party line is that petrol destroys parts of the engine and if the car has had petrol in it then certain things need replaced, this only goes on in the UK, the Germans dont tolerate being ripped off and if you misfuel a BMW or Mercedes in Germany and take it to a main dealer – they will do a simple fuel drain and not bother with rolling you or your insurance company over for a big pay out for un-needed work, the british main dealer for some reason holds a svengali like control of the average motorist, what I have observed is garages who know and have a good relationship with clients charge many times less than the norm for fuel drain repair work.

4) call a mobile fuel draining company, most petrol stations will have a card or 2 behind the counter of companies that can drain the fuel, this is done by inserting a special nozzle into the tank and sucking out the wrong fuel, and sometimes by connecting onto the fuel system internally and drawing it out of the feed end, the wrong  fuel gets taken away in the van and the process takes half an hour to an hour depending on how much fuel is involved. they can normally arrive within the hour.

5) do it yourself, not recommended unless you are mechanically minded but for instructions have a look at our FAQs page

6) leave the car on the forecourt with the keys in it and go to india to find yourself

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car has been filled with the wrong fuel

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Wrong fuel mercedes

fuel drain on brand new mercedes in petrol station london

Sometimes owners of new cars misfuel heres one we done recently.

This car is less than a week old, on its very first visit to a petrol station in north London it was misfuelld.

The owner calld us and someone helped them to push it into a corner of the petrol station, we arrived 45 minutes later and performed a fuel drain.

The car was fine and hadent been started and once all the wrong fuel was removed we lifted the back seats and took out every last drop from the tank itself by accessing both access panels from the inside, we took extreme care whilst doing it to avoid ruining the new car smell with “eue de misfuel”

The car started perfectly after we brimmed it with the right fuel.

As a point of note; if a fuel drain is not done correctly a dealer can often tell if petrol is left in a diesel car by a number of things, the telltale “pfffft” as you open the diesel cap and petrol vapour escapes from the sealed pressurized tank, (diesel does not vapourize and expand like petrol)

The other way is sometimes the glue in the fuelfilter innards gets loosend by a throput of petrol, this does not happen in all cases and wont happen if a car has not been started with the wrong fuel

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Wrong Fuel Vuaxhall

I do about 4 fuel drains a week from vauxhall cars (and vans) that have had the wrong fuel in them. Vuaxhall is making some good diesel cars lately, and not surprisingly some of them are getting the wrong fuel put in them. If you have put the wrong fuel or petrol in your diesel vuaxhall then don’t panic, they are easy to fix and don’t pose a challange to a competent fuel drainer. Vuaxhalls are front wheel drive mostly which means the fuel tank is a single unit instead of a twin fuel tank set up as seen in rear wheel drive cars. The easy way to remove wrong fuel from a Vauxhall is through the tank with a special fuel draining hose, however if the car has been driven then it will need to have a fuel system flush which is done by unclipping the feed line into the high pressure pump and drawing clean fuel through which purges the contaminated fuel out of the line. When a fuel purge is done it only draws clean fuel up to the high pressure pump, from the high pressure pump forward the contaminate (about 300ml) will have to be pushed through by the working of the pump and engine. Wrong fuel in a vuaxhall van is common, they also have a snag on the filler neck on newer vans which makes pulling the syphon hose out awkward, i have never looked into one so I dont know if it is an anti syphon device or just a sharp bend on the filler neck into the tank but you will have to be patient if you are drawing the syphon line out becuase it can catch and snag. vuaxhalls can be hard to start (impossible actually) if they have been driven with the wrong fuel and NOT had a fuel flush, there is about 1 litre of fuel that sits in the hoses, filters and pumps to the engine and if the fuel is not purged from the system it takes too long to purge it by simply turning the engine, trying to repeatedly start the car by turning the engine will flatten the battery at best and burn out the starter at worst, if you have put the wrong fuel in your vuaxhall car or van then I strongly suggest getting a fuel drain done by a professional

Wrong Fuel In a Vuaxhall

Vuaxhall Astra Van during fuel drain

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Petrol in Diesel Van – wrong fuel

we do our fair share of fuel drains on vans, possibley the most common call out is for wrong fuel in transporters followed closely by transits, then sprinters.

Every monday we seem to have a few vans that need a fuel drain, drivers still in weekend mood can be forgetfull at the pumps, or drivers of vans who drive a petrol weekend car can easily slip up.

Some vans have 120 litre tanks, and that fits allot of wrong fuel!, some vans have different requirements when draining heres some of them;

Renault Traffics that have had wrong fuel;  has a  hard twist in the filler neck and this can snag hoses used to drain fuel when it is being withdrawn, – use smaller hose

Ford Tranits can be very stubborn about starting again after being driven on wrong fuel, – after a fuel drain it needs to be bled from SOUTH of the return line to draw clean fuel thru common rail and clear the pum

Volkswagon Transoprters that have been filled with wrong fuel or had petrol put into diesel need to be tilting slightly towards the filler cap or not all the wrong fuel can be gotten to, this is done by jacking up the far corner to the filler neck

Sprinters that have wrong fuel or petrol in diesel; these can sometimes have a fuel guage that reads Full when it is empty if they have been drained, (something to do with movement being required to gradually move the in tank float down – which is stiff) best practice is to measure wrong fuel removed to accurately calculate tank level.

hope that helps

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Petrol In Diesel Volkswagon

Over the weekend we had a callout from a lady in London who had misfuelled her brand new volkswagon scirroco TDi on saturday morning while putting the wrong fuel in at a BP station, she was a member of the AA and thought that it would be coverd by her membership and was then told it was 250 pounds and they could not attend her until sunday but they could tow her home and do it there, she then called volkswagon who told her she had to get it recoverd to a dealers, 10 minutes later the dealer called her qouting well into 4 figures but re-assuring her the car was coverd by her insurance and the costly engine re-build would not cost her anything. volkswagon sent out a recovery unit to bring the car in and she got a taxi home.

Checking with her insurance company she was told she was in fact not insured for misfuelling and the 4 figure sum was going to come out of her own pocket, she started googling the subject and found us, she called me this morning at 8am.

I met her at the dealership that it was sitting at and informed them that the car was to be released to me, 20 minutes later I completed the fuel drain, flushed the fuel system and re-filld it with clean fuel, it started first time and she drove off to work, to give the dealership credit they didnt try the usual scare stories or make threats of an invalid warranty and I got the impression they felt just a little bit guilty for trying to pull a fast one.

We do lots of fuel drains at car dealerships whereby the car has been towed in for extensive and un-needed repairs, in this instance the car had not even been started so an engine re-build was far fetched, even if the car had been started with the wrong fuel it would not have needed an expensive repair, a fuel drain and flush is a straightforward and non invasive procedure, think of it like keyhole surgery for a car.

If you have had a car taken to a dealership to have the wrong fuel removed you should consider getting a fuel drain first, its allot cheaper and can be done anywhere by a professional fuel draining company

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Petrol In Diesel Mercedes

Wrong fuel in a mercedes is something I am called out to frequently.

I Have done hundreds of Mercedes, including, a class wrong fuel , b class wrong fuel , e class wrong fuel, s class wrong fuel, petrol in diesel Mercedes vans is also a common problem, sprinters, vitos and even atego’s and some of the bigger trucks

If you’ve done it, dont panic, heres some simple pointers

Most mercedes are rear wheel drive – this means a twin tank system, not unlike BMW’s, you have a few options for getting the wrong fuel out of a merc.

1) call a fuel mechanic, they come to you and do the messy bit, it takes about an hour and costs between 160 to 200 quid.

2) pull up the back seat and reveal the 2 fuel tank access panels, unscrew the tops and then unscrew the big metal donut that holds the intank pump in, this is not a hand tight item, it needs a firm wack in the right place to unscrew it, once you unscrew that, unclip the fuel lines and electric plugs and remove it (the in tank pump and sender float) – this is the part where you cover the inside of your lovely car if “Eau de diesel”you are not carefull – dont worry it goes away in about 6 months, and if you stain the leather just wipe it all down with a diesely rag to make it blend in….. ok enough sarcasm. once you have access to the fuel simply syphon it out and refuel

3) open up the engine bay and find the flow line into the pump, south of the filter, disconnect it (you may need to remove the engine cowling depending on what type of merc it is)  - the interception point is the most southernly accessible point on the fuel line, connect another hose to the fuel hose you have unplugged and put it into a container (25 litre drums work best) then simply put the key in the ignition and put it into accessory position which will send a cup of diesel thru each time, do this a few hundred times and you will have emptied the tank, then put in clean diesel and repeat the process, sending thru 2 litres of clean diesel to flush the lines, reconnect the lines and you are ready to go!

4) invest 25k in a fuel draining kit and simply pump it out into a tank in the back of your van, jack up the car at the side opposite the tank to transfer the fuel from the far tank to the near tank

There should not be any long lasting effects of misfuelling mercedes engines, although a freind of mine who works in a merc dealer sais he suspects that misfuelling does shorten injector life.

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Wrong Fuel London

We get called out allot to all areas of london, often delivery drivers, taxi drivers, and private motorists.

Misfulling in London is no fun, there is no such place as a “good place” to break down in london, and your parking options become  limited when you lose power becuase of a misfuelling and need to push a car off the road.

If you have put the wrong fuel in your car/bus/taxi/bin lorry/police car/spaceship then as soon as you have got the car off the road give us a call, we attend very quickly and can manage in the most awkward of spots, if we have to tow you a short distance to drain your car we will, we wont make your day any worse by unhelpfully insisting you move the car yourself to a location of our suiting, we do whatever it takes, wherever it may be and we have a 99.5% succes rate.

Motoring in london is a rough business, any car spending allot of time in london will have the usual battle scars and scrapes on every corner, broken number plates and cracked mirrors, keeping a car in good condition in London is hard at the best of times, and there are no garages in the center.

We have a van in London 24 Hours a day (yes we really do work 24 hours a day, that means real people answer real phones within 4 rings at 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 am)  and real drivers that work for us come out and drain cars all hours of the day and night.

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Wrong Fuel Insurance

I have noticed some insurance companies are now offering to cover the cost of repair of a misfuelling.  Swiftcover have a very sensible policy clause and offer to pay 250 towards the cost of a fuel drain, but do not accept claims for damage resulting from misfuelling, – (misfuelling doesnt cause damage), i’ve got to give them credit for this becuase they are providing insurance cover for the problem but not leaving themselves open to a lowlife main dealer trying to scoop thousands on an uneccasery “engine rebuild”.

We have done thousands of fuel drains, and I have yet to meet someone who did it on purpose, in my opinon anyone who has fully comp should be coverd for a fuel drain, the companies that class it as “deliberate damage” have lost touch with the spirit of insurance an accidental misfuelling is no different from an accidental crash, any decent insurance company should offer to cover the cost of a fuel drain, and in fact I have had many of my customers recoup the cost of a fuel drain from their insurance companies.

We have a number of large national insurance companies who call us on behalf of their clients who are stranded at petrol stations or at home with a car full of the wrong fuel and I am very impressed by how some of them really go the extra mile to help the customer,

If you have put the wrong fuel in your car check to see if it is coverd on insurance, and if you have already paid for a fuel drain you still might be able to claim it back.

We provide detailed reciepts and technical reports for all of our clients and will happily provide information to your insurance company if you will be reimbursed.

Nearly everyone reading this has either just misfuelled, or a bored fuelman but its worth checking the smallprint if it every happens again.

Hope that helps

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What happens with wrong fuel

As a rule of thumb the averidge fuel drain is 40 litres, over the course of a week that’s allot of wrong fuel.

To carry misfuel there is no special licences required as long as no more than 330 litres is carried in a vehicle, if you carry more than that an ADR licence is needed

Storing mixed fuel is regulated by the environment agency, it must be kept safe, secure and have protection against leaks from ruptured storage tanks, (double and triple bunding)

There are a number of uses for mixed fuel, I have listed some of the more common ones

1) Use in space heaters for a large garage as done by an un-named gentelmen in the west country  (I suspect it will not end well)

2) mixing with bio-diesel to “thin” it up – only done in small quantity

3) re refining, this is done by 2 oil refineries in the uk who take 28.000 litre tanker loads, the process is simply to put it through the oil refinery again and split it back into a diesel and petrol, duty does not need paid on this but then problem is getting rid of it after it is refined because most petrol stations are tied in to exclusive supply contracts with the major oil companies

4) use in specialist military vehicles, rolls royce made an engine for tanks that can run on petrol or diesel, or a mix of both, its noise smelly and very loud, there are offroad drive a tank for a day type sites that buy it

5) Cleaning engine parts, mixed fuel has good cleaning properties that work well with oils, it is used by garages and mechanics to clean brakes and engine parts

6) Burning stuff, mixed fuel sometimes brings out the inner pyro, and some people just can’t pass up the opportunity to torch a bit of wasteland

The AA get their fuel recycled back into petrol and diesel and the going rate is between 30 and 40p per litre for contaminated fuel, but with everything volume is the key, handling mixed fuel in low quantity’s is expensive, and many garages go out of their way to not have to touch the stuff.

With diesel now at £1.40 per litre I expect the recycling will take a boost

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Fuel Draining AA and RAC

Most people assume that the AA and RAC offer a free fuel draining service to their members, unfortunately this is not the case.

Both the AA and RAC charge for fuel drains, the price varies but is about £220, the AA will tow you home for free with a fuel drain if you have the home recovery service.

Standard AA patrol vans do not carry fuel draining equipment, the fuel drains are done by a specialist AA division called, AA Fuel Assist, this is managed autonomously within the AA network.

AA fuel assist carry out mobile fuel drains on location and being part of the AA they are very good at it, The RAC are fairly new to the fuel draining business and are just dipping their toes into it.

Neither the AA or RAC offer a full blown national coveridge, the work is often passed on to independent fuel draining companies, or local garages, in remote areas they offer very little in the way of service.

I have heard from a number of other fuel draining companies and they all are noticing less work coming from both the AA and RAC which would suggest that their own vans are starting to cover more work.

The good news for the motorists is the more people are doing it, the cheaper it gets and the response times will be faster, hopefully the main dealers will start also recommending fuel drains instead of un-needed major engine rebuilds.

If you do decide to use the AA or RAC here’s a little tip that should save you some money, if you refuse the first price they quote they will offer a discount to get the work, this however doesn’t work for us smaller independent fuel draining companies becuase we done have millions in the bank set aside in the “wipe out the competition account”.

The AA will often tow you home from the petrol station, and then have another van come and do the fuel drain at your house at a scheduled time and day.

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DIY Wrong Fuel Removal

Here’s some advice if you need to do a DIY fuel drain to remove wrong fuel

If your car has an electric fuel tank pump, then there is a way to do a fuel drain yourself,

You need, containers (enough for all the fuel you have in the tank) 2 metre length of hose, and depending on type of car, some basic tools,

It is advisable if you also clean fuel (20 litres) to hand.

This works on most bmw, mercedes, citroen, peugeot, vw, audi, fords – if your diesel car makes a gentle buzzing noise for a few seconds when you put the key in the lights on position (the buzzing is the electric fuel pump priming the system) then this will most likely work.

This method is very hard on the cars battery and if it is not in good condition may flatten it, keep jump leads handy and another donor car, or be at the top of a hill

The skill level required to do this would take someone that is mechanically minded, and is aware of the safety precautions required when working with petrol and diesel.

1) Find the fuel line coming from the tank to the engine, you need to flow line to the engine, not the return line to the tank

2) disconnect the flow line and attach a hose to it, (you will need to get blue peter about it unless you have full garage facilities at your disposal)

3) put the other end of the line into a container

4) turn the key, not to starting position, just to pump priming position, this will activate the fueltank pump for 5 to 10 seconds which will send about a cupfull of fuel through the hoseline, then the pump will switch of again

5) keep repeating the same thing, turn the ignition off, then back to accessory position for 5 seconds, you might have to do this 200 times or more, it takes ages to drain a full tank.

6) once the tank is empty you will start getting foamy white fuel out, this is air that has entered the system from the empty tank

7) now pour in the clean fuel to the tank

8) repeat the key turning process again and again untill approximately 2 litres have gone thru, this purges the wrong fuel and fills the filter and lines with clean fuel

9) re-connect the fuel system and start the car

once the car starts you should fill it again to the top with clean fuel.

Petrol is highly flammable and this should be done in an area that is safe to do it,

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Wrong Fuel BMW

We attend many BMW’s that have been misfueld, mostly 5 series, the 5 series has a complicated fuel tank set up, in that it uses a “saddle bag” design, which is the tank hangs over the propshaft, which makes it 2 tanks joined by a pipe at the top, and elaborate pumping system to keep the levels equal, this dual fuel tank system with pumps to distribute fuel evenly was pioneered by  concorde in the 60′s, because the engines burned fuel so fast, gravity alone would not keep fuel tanks equalised , bmw, audi, landrover, mercedes are among the cars that are using it, the reason is to cram awkward shape fuel tanks around prop shafts, exhausts, etc

Draining the fuel from a BMW involves more than emptying the tank with a suction kit, there will still be half the fuel left in the other side of the tank, to get to this you either have to bypass the cars internal “brain” and turn on the transfer pump, or you have to lift out the backseat and access both parts of the tank from above.

BMW’s sometimes signal a fault code after a misfuelling, this is normal and is the engine management computer is simply saying “engine dont work” which you already know by the time it comes on. this is not usually an indicator that something has gone terribly wrong, nor has it detected wrong fuel as the cause of the problem, once the car has been drained and filled with the right fuel and restarted, the engine management light will go out.

No permanent harm is caused by a brief misfuelling, so don’t get taken for a ride by a dealer who suggests a multi thousand pound engine and fuel pump rebuild, its just a scam that is peculiar to the UK, BMW main dealers in Germany simply recommend a fuel drain and wouldn’t dare try and pull the new engine/fuel pump trick that our dealers have been doing.

Call us if you need help with wrong fuel, a fuel drain, or advice on how to do one.

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Boats and Planes

Its not just misfuelled cars that need fuel drains. last week we had to do a fuel drain on a boat on the Thames, an unlucky sailor had put 25 litres of diesel on top of 400 litres of petrol, it was a petrol boat.

Luckily the boat hadn’t been sailed and the mistake was noticed early, we attended within the hour but due to the amount of wrong fuel onboard and the lift (pumping hight from the boat to our van) was 5 metres it took several hours to do.

The fuel drain was completed and the happy sailor was on his way, i’m sure that next time he will be a bit more carefull when filling up

Planes, we havent done a plane yet, but we do allot of cars that go on planes, once every couple of months we attend a client in heathrow who sends out high performance armoured cars and a certain brand of car that is far from cheap to the middle east, the trouble is, the dealer delivers the car with a full tank, but a car cannot go on a plane with any fuel in it so we have to do a total drain down, the first time we did this was at 4am one morning a few years back when a planes pilot refused to let the car be shipped while it was fuel’d up, and we did a fuel drain on the tarmac!, nowadays we know far in advance when a car is going to ship and we can do it at a sociable hour.

We have also done fuel drains for international relief agencies who send out vehicles to disaster zones.

So if your freelander is sitting at pump number 5 with the wrong fuel on it… give us a call, we have dealt with much worse!

Thats enough from me

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Wrong Fuel Edinburgh

We have been getting a few calls from Edinburgh lately from people who have put petrol in their diesel cars, 2 last week on the city bypass alone!

If you are in Edinburgh and have put wrong fuel in your car please do not hesitate to call us, we can reach most areas of edinburgh within 1 hour and have you on your way in no time, putting petrol in your diesel car needn’t involve an expensive trip to the dealers, we can drain the vehicle down with our specialist pumping gear and flush the fuel system through with clean fuel.

Please call us on 07514409700  24 hours a day seven days a week for fuel drains in the Edinburgh Area, (we also cover fife & the M8 corridor)

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Petrol in diesel = wrong fuel

Putting petrol in diesel cars is the most common mistake in misfuelling,  obviously this is because a petrol filler pistol will fit inside a diesel neck, but a diesel filler pistol is to big for a petrol neck.

In london and surrounding areas, fuelfixer can help you out with these kind of mishaps, we attend both breakdowns caused by wrong fuel and petrol stations where the deed was done.

Dont waste money calling a main dealer – call us directly and we can attend within the hour, 24 hours a day, seven days a week

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Bmw wrong fuel

Attended quite a few BMW 5 series that had been misfueld this week, not sure if its a coincidence or part of a thicker plot, either way, all 3 of them were drained down in the petrol stations before they had been driven, and none got carted off to the dealers on low loaders – so nobody got rinsed.

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Unsure if you have put the wrong fuel in

Suspected wrong fuel?

Recently, at Fuelfixer we have had quite a few call outs for ‘suspected misfuels’, i.e the car has broken down or is portraying symptoms of a misfuel, but the customer can’t remember if they have put the wrong fuel in. Or they have had a friend borrow their car and think that they might have put the wrong fuel in. And a lot of the time, the customer is right, it is a misfuel.
Now, it isn’t always a misfuel, but we are always happy to give advice and help you as best possible. If your car has symptoms of misfuel; it won’t accelerate no matter how much gas you give it, it has jerky and lerching movements, misfiring, or all together just brakes down and won’t start up again, there is a good chance you have put the wrong fuel in it.
Five times in the past two weeks I have been called to different suspected misfuellings, 4 of which were a case of wrong fuel and all i had those customers up and running again as quickly as possible.
I always try to do my best to get a car up and running again, and when its the customer isn’t sure if its a matter of the wrong fuel, i’m always happy to do my best to point you in the right direction if it isn’t.
There is nothing worse that not knowing what is wrong with your car, hopefully the symptoms above will help you figure it out. If you suspect the wrong fuel is in your car, call us, there is a good chance you are right!

There is always the nasal test, open your fuel cap and have a sniff, its not pleasant or healthy and (more than 2 sniffs is considered self medicating), diesel should smell like diesel, its got a duller oily smell,  petrol is much stronger and sharper because it vaporizes  constantly, if your diesel “smells a bit like petrol” then chances are it is petrol, if your still unsure sniff a diesel cars filler cap first for comparison.

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Wrong Fuel in the summer

Summer is here and we are as busy as ever,

I have neglected the site for the past few months but thought I would write a note about something that I am seing more often

As fuel prices are now the highest they have ever been, and diesel costing £1.40 a litre and up, more and more people are turning to cheaper fuel – and it doesnt always work out!, every few days we do a fuel drain on a car or van that has “something funny” in it, here are some examples;

Red diesel;  red diesel is perfectly fine for car engines, BUT it is illegal to use it on a road car, it is often sold in containers that get contaminated, mostly with water or solvents, diesel traded out of the back of vans in leftover chemical containers is not exactly high quality compared to the highly structured supply chain of petrol stations

Bio Diesel; buyer beware!, bio diesel is an excellent way to help the enviroment and reduce your motoring costs, but.. if it is not made properly and stored properly it can cuase problems – ie you will be calling us for a fuel drain. only buy from sources you trust.

Stolen diesel; a huge ammount of diesel gets stolen through fuel card abuse, the usual method is the driver will use a company fuel card to fill up a truck and also fill a container at the same time, this then gets sold on for cheap, last month some scally was running around petrol stations in north london and selling “diesel” for 90 p a litre, it turnd out to be water, needless to say we were busy. the moral is obvious.

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how to drain fuel from a fuel tank (non plastic)

Just a little bit about fuel drains,

Until around 1990 most cars had metal fuel tanks, these were prone to leaking, and also rusted, the rust caused a sludge – and when the tank was nearly empty the sludge got drawn into the fuel pump and damaged it – hence why most drivers over 50 are very carefull not to run around on a near empty tank….. However after around 1990  with the introduction of plastic fuel tanks, the sludge (tank rust & debris at bottom of tank) problem was no longer an issue, plastic tanks did not deterioate, nor did they leak at the seams – which was a common fualt in old metal fuel tanks, also becuase plastic can be shaped more intricatley than steel – fuel tanks got bigger – and were made into complicate shapes that hugged the bottom of the car and used every available nook and cranny.

All modern cars now have plastic fuel tanks.

The one downside is that metal tanks all had a “drain plug” – (much like an oil sump plug) which was a bolt at the bottom of the tank which you undid to drain the contents, this was neccasery becuase when tanks had welding to fix leaks, or needed sludge removed they would need fully drained. (and often filled with water before welding) modern tanks need neither and the car makers didn’t figure on the misfuelling problem in tank design

However if you misfuel and your car has a metal tank, chances are it will have a drain plug this makes draining very easy to do and is straightforward. The problem you have to solve is to get the car high enough so that you can get under it with containers, 25 litre drums and a funnel on top is best, but the car needs to be about metre off the ground, and also level (I put that in bold for a reason), of course an inspection pit is the best solution.

if you are going to do this yourself please heed the following

1) make sure you have suitable containers, and enough of them, 25 litre plastic drums or 20 litre jerrycans, don’t skimp on containers, have more than you need

2) petrol and petrol VAPOUR is flammable, it is heavier than air, so if you are working in a pit and spill a bit of fuel, take comfort in the fact that the little spill is now dispersing into a highly explosive gas sitting in the bottom of the inspection pit just waiting for a source of ignition, dont worry if it is all fine today – the gas will be there tomorrow, and the next day – and the next, so only work in a very well ventilated environment, and don’t spill any.

3) and very importantly, PUT THE DRAIN PLUG BACK IN WHEN YOU FINISH

4) duck ponds, children’s playgrounds, neighbours gardens, motorway hard shoulders, nature reserves, manhole covers, watercourses, street drains, sewers and swing parks are suitable places to empty a fuel tank by simply draining it onto the ground, the upside is around a years free accommodation in a very secure environment with set meal and exercise patterns and lots of “me time”  - or you could simply call your local council and find a waste oil recycling collection point, your local garage will often have a facility to dispose of misfuel, or they would know someone who would take it off your hands and put it to good use.,

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Biodiesel/Red Diesel & wrong fuel

No one needs told that fuel is getting pricey, my brother told me today that litre for litre supermarket ownbrand  cider was cheaper than diesel, (chances are diesel tastes better than supermarket cider)

I have seen an increase in biodiesel use, and “nuaghty” fuel use, i,e red diesel, kerosene, parafin, marine diesel, heavy oils etc, these have either been the cause of a fuel problem or been evident in the tank residue , these are all duty evasive fuels that have not had 60p fuel duty paid on them, or 25p VAT, it can seem attractive to use cheaper fuel at the current prices,   aside from the moral and legal implications I would not recommend trying to cut corners with fuel, -, modern engines have very low tolerances for fuel variation, kerosene can overheat an engine, marine diesel is too thick to pump, red diesel although having identical properties  to white diesel can incur a heavy fine,  the serious downside is  duty evaded fuels puts the user on the wrong side of the law and since duty free fuel is often sold in the black economy, the chances are it has also been stolen from someone, which makes the user party to a criminal supply chain

I have also attended a number of BIO diesel “misfuels”, this is cases where biodiesel was used but it did not agree with the car, or was low quality or contaminated with water, a full drain and flush was needed to correct the problem, I think Biodiesel is a great idea and encourage it, the use of it is covered extensively on the net, if you do want to use it, 1) check and see if your car is compatible with it – on the various biodiesel forums and 2) get biodiesel from people who know what they are doing, badly made biodiesel can be contaminated with water or solids and can cuase problems.

If you have used biodiesel and it doesn”t seem to be working for you, you could either thin it with clean diesel or depending on volume have a fuel drain, I would be happy to advise – and I won’t try and talk you into a fuel drain if you don’t need one.

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The wrong fuel club

There’s a bit of a grapevine in the misfuelling business, there’s about 15 misfueling technicians who work in different areas that are more than happy to share information with each other regarding hard to do cars, A man I call more than most is Luke from wrongfuelsoloution.co.uk, he called it wrong fuel solution because he is THE solution, He works within 50 miles of Northampton but frequently gets called further afield to to some specialist work on exotic & prestige cars.

The fact is there are at least 30 different car makes on our roads, and each make has 5 or 6 models, these 5 or six models have an array of different specs, i.e some Audi TT’s are front wheel drive, some are rear wheel drive, and some are 4 wheel drive, fuel tank set up’s are different for each and every model, some have 1 tank, some have twin tanks, etc.. factor in that some cars have not been driven therefore need a simple drain, and some cars have been driven therefore need a full system flush, factor in also hundreds of new car models every year – and you are dealing with an awful lot of variables, thats why wrong fuel companies network, and share tricks of the trade.

A good network and knowledge base is important, it cuts down diagnostic time, and get’s you going faster, 95% of jobs are straightforward but the 5% that are not – normally involve a phone call to another fuel drainer.

We network more than you would think, for example we have instant access to all main dealers service manuals & diagnostic manuals, we frequently chat to both the RAC & AA patrol men, main dealer service agents, main dealer specialist repair units, & countless independent garages,  and since most mobile fuel draining units are owner operated businesses you get a high level of care and excellent service.

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Wrong Fuel & main dealers

For the 4th time in 2 weeks we have attended fuel drains at main dealers premises, to carry out work for clients who had put in the wrong fuel, it goes like this, 1) client misfuels, 2) client phones dealer, 3) dealer recovers car to dealers premises, 4) dealer presents client with 6 to 8 thousand pound estimate for “repairs” 5) client has shouting match with spouse 6) spouse packs clients bags and announces end of marriage 7) client phones friend for a shoulder to cry on 8) friend googles wrong fuel and reads up on subject 9) freind suggests calling us 10) we arrive at dealership, collect keys and remove car from dealership 11) we perform standard fuel drain & system flush and hand working car over to client 12) car is working perfectly no harm done, cost £180 13) client goes home, unpacks bags and cancels moving back to mums, 14) client goes into shock that the dealer had been so opportunistic and abusive of position of trust, 15) reconciliation between client & spouse 16) for the rest of the clients life they double take every time they fill up with fuel and never misfuel again 17) client has to tolerate and manage a forced laugh an average of 7.5 times when ribbed about misfuelling 18) client lives happily ever after and the car is perfect for years to come, 19) the main dealer misses out on 8K for the misfuel “correction” but makes it up by taking over a million pounds on other misfuels that financial year,

The moral of the story is don’t panic, if you have misfueld and your car is at the dealership we can deal with everything, all you have to do is phone the dealers and authorise us to collect the car, we are fully insured and have collected cars from most dealerships in the south east, I could name and shame a few naughty one’s but I won’t, what I will say is this, The EU block exemption rule is very clear, some years ago it was ruled that you are under no obligation to have work carried out by a main dealer, any threats regarding the warranty of your car are empty, we are competent and professional in our work and provide a fuel draining report for each call out we attend.

We are happy to contact dealers on your behalf to have car’s “sprung” – often a client does not want embarrassment or confrontation, and we are adept at dealing with the situation so that neither occurs.

Sadly the dealership network that I come across  that dishes out the most outrageous quotes for repair is a German car company that I have a soft spot for and I love the cars they make, but as a word of warning, if your car has a 3 pointed star on the front, call us …… pronto.

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Wrong fuel, Fuel Drains & Misfueling – busier than ever

The one thing you can always predict in the fuel draining business….. is that it is totally unpredictable!. I used to think the weekends were busy, then that changed, then I thought Monday’s were quiet and that changed, In all my time doing this job I have yet to find a pattern,  somedays  12 to 15 jobs, then 2, some days with 1 or 2, or even none which hasen’t happend for 6 months, – (yes we even did a fuel drain on christmas day).

There is normally a rush of misfuellings around end of month paydays when people fill up full tanks.

I gave up trying to establish patterns some time ago, but as a rule of thumb we get a call out nearly every morning between 7 and 8, drivers on route to work, or night shift workers going home,

People in North London seem to misfuel in the early hours of the morning more than anyone else

If someone misfuels close to home they often chance it and drive home – calling us when it won’t start again after wrong fuel

Most people are unaware that there are specialist fuel draining companies, who perform mobile fuel drains, and only find out about us when they start googling or asking around

Nobody who deals with us, ever wants to see us again in a professional capacity.

If you ever wonder how common misfueling is, next time you are in a petrol station, look for  traffic cones on the pump islands, these are in place to be put behind misfueld vehicles, 3 to 4 misfuellings a week is not unusual for a busy station, misfuellings are bad business for petrol stations, they can block pump lanes and cause traffic to que on the street, most petrol stations have details of mobile fuel draining companies to hand, a small handfull of corporately run petrol stations have exclusive agreements with the AA that prevents other mobile fuel draining companies from attending, this is anti competitive and the loser is the unlucky person who has to pay the AA an inflated price for a fuel drain, I think that a contributory factor could have been the petrol stations past experience with dangerous DIY fuel draining attempts being made on the forecourts, or uninsured, ill equipped and amateur companies doing fuel drains on the premises,Good practice for any mobile fuel drainer is to introduce yourself to the manager on arrival and agree a safe and convenient area to perform the fuel drain, I  find petrol station staff are helpful and friendly and enjoy working with them.

That said, the past week has been extremely busy and I could do with a few quiet days to catch up with some office work

Take care,

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Another busy day for wrong fuel

Today 8 unlucky drivers met me, seems to be very busy at this time of year, maybe its the weather, take care when your filling up, if you do put the wrong fuel in your car give me a call

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Fuel price increase = misfuel increase

As if higher fuel prices were not bad enough…

I have notice a bit of a pattern over the last week, there was a higher than usual number of misfuels just before the big price hike, at the pumps, then it went very quiet for a couple of days – most people seemed to be avoiding the pumps.

Then Friday and today the phone has been ringing non-stop, lots of cases of people looking at the price before choosing a nozzle but since  petrol is now as expensive as diesel used to be it is causing a muddle.

If you find you have misfueld at a pump do not start your engine and inform the garage, they will put a cone behind your car to stop people waiting behind you and they will normally be able to recommend a local company that can do a fuel drain, or you could call us on 07514409700 and if we are not in your area – we will know who is

Hopefully things will settle down over the next few days

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AA & RAC Wrong fuel & Fuel Drain Service & Misfuelling Costs

Most people who fill up with the wrong fuel first turn to the AA & RAC.

It is widely thought that membership would cover fuel drains…….. dun dun dun dun!

Here’s some facts; the AA offers a mobile fuel draining service, called “fuel assist”  The AA charge £209.34 for AA Members and £246.29 for non members as of January 2011,  being the AA of course the work they do is of high standard, in some areas they can attend with a mobile fuel van, but this is not everywhere, if they cannot attend they may tow you home or to a garage that can perform a drain, you will have to pay the garage for this as the AA’s job ends when they get you there.

The RAC are fairly new to the fuel drain business and they are still in the pilot stages, therefore they don’t actually have fixed prices on there website, clients of mine have been qouted between 200 and 250. The RAC with the 6 vans they have operating out of the Bristol area  or pass it on to approved and vetted fuel drain co’s, again technically the RAC also offer a good service and are a good company, along with the AA they are not the fastest to attend and they often price match the AA, they offer a £15 discount to members whereas the AA offers a £36 pound discount to members.

If you need a fuel drain, don’t take my word for it, call the RAC or the AA and see what they charge and how quick they can attend, then call me – you will get a better price and faster response.

I have been asked how I feel about the AA & RAC investing heavily into fuel drains and whether or not it will decrease my business, In fact I have seen it INCREASE my business, I’m faster, cheaper and answer my phone within 3 rings, I do the fuel drains myself and I know what my workload is, that way I can tell you exactly how long I will be. technically we use the same kit as the majors and we all do the same thing,  but big companies sometimes cannot be as quick and nimble as the small local ones.

If you need a fuel drain, or have put petrol in diesel we are here 24 hours a day 7 days a week and we dont charge extra for weekends or nights,

call us for wrong fuel rectification

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Petrol in Diesel Audi new filter

Petrol in a diesel on new years eve,

Did a fuel drain yesterday on a 5 year old diesel Audi A3, it had been fill’d to the top with petrol,

The client had attempted to do a DIY drain but it’s not an easy car to do so I got called in, he had bought a new fuel filter which I fitted,

Here is a picture of the new filter (white) next to the old filter (black)

wrong fuel in audi, filters

I usually don’t change filters, it is more effective to flush them out than to change them but the client wanted this done – and in all fairness the old filter was a bit manky so it was worth doing.

As you can see the filter is just fins made from a hi tech paper, if a diesel filter gets contaminated  with petrol it can be flushed through with clean diesel which takes out all the petrol, this is a tried and tested method and is far simpler than replacing a filter

Filters should be be changed according to the service manual, some new diesels can go 15k miles between services, by which time the filters can be very mucky, a dirty filter can put strain on the fuel pump and if they get really bad it can cause a gradual loss of power

If you are using bio-diesel or vegetable oil I would recommend a fuel filter change every 2 or 3 thousand miles, its a very simple job and the filters are generally accesible to make changing easy.

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Learned something new today about AUDI misfuelling

Did a fuel drain today on the M23, an Audi allroad had been fill’d with 20 pounds of petrol (it was a diesel) and driven for 30 miles, the car had died and I got call’d, I did the standard drain & flush and went to re-start it, it wasent quite as easy as it should have been, and given the distance it had been driven I suspected major damage, I got some over the phone advice from an AUDI specialist – (turnd out that  driven on wrong fuel audi allroad V6 TDI has a peculiarity) well  I’m not too proud to admit that I don’t know everything there is to know about every car ever made, – and after some specialist advice on an unusual case – the car was up and running again with no further damage, and the customer was on his way, it’s worth having a few experts on hand at the end of the phone, and since its normally me dishing out the technical advice – it was a nice change (I made that all up, the truth is I was kicking myself – I make about 2 calls per year to other mechanics and I really could have done without that one because he will never let me forget it – )

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Misfuelling in a new car:

On Saturday I did the “youngest” car I have ever done, wrong fuel in  VW Golf 1.9TDI

The client was a very good natured chap, on a family outing travelling in convoy with another car, he had put 20 pounds worth of unleaded into a car that he picked up from the dealership 2 days beforehand, the mileage was 82!. it was a fairly simple job as it had never been driven, but unfortunately a passing mechanic had attempted to do a  fuel drain thru the filter (this draws contaminated fuel into the plumbing),  thus the car needed drained from the tank and flushed thru the filter to be on the safe side,  an important thing about doing fuel drains on new cars is that there are many different fuel hose connections ,on a  golf (and most audis) , they look like this

If I knew how to photoshop I could explain this all very simply, so bear with me,

The fuel hoses are black, they all connect into the filter on the bottom right (note 4 hoses) the clips that hold the hoses are steel, and are coated with a very thin layer of black paint, these clips are reuseable, but if not very carefully unclipped and clipped back together they get scratched easily , which is no problem in itself but it shows that they have been fiddled with, what had happend in this case is that becuase the passing mechanic was not familiar with this type of car,  tried all the hoses – hastilly unclipping & clipping back up, the end result was a brand new car – which to the expert eye  looked like it it had major work to the fuel system, If an issue arose with the warranty on something completely different  then this is the sort of thing that gives an awkward main dealer a leg to stand on.

The problem with fuel drains is you don’t choose when or where they happen, it’s often miles from home and your regular mechanic, or at a very inconvenient time, if you are going to to attempt to drain a car here are some pointers.

1) Never try and draw fuel from the filter or hoses if a car has NOT been driven

2)  If a car has been towed, consider it driven – when you tow a car the key is in the ignition to stop the steering locking, this powers the fuel pump which circulates the contaminated fuel – thus contaminated plumbing

3) if you car is under manufacturers warranty – I would strongly recommend getting a company that specialises in fuel drains to do the job, the a typical garage will maybe deal with 1 misfuel a week, a mobile fuel draining mechanic will do upwards of 20 fuel drains a week

4) syphoning petrol on forecourts is a tad risky, the key point is EXPOSURE TO AIR, i,e putting a hose onto a hose and pumping out a car is ok, becuase the fuel is not exposed to air, it simply goes from one tank into another via a sealed connection, syphoning without the right equipment results in buckets, cans etc.. being filld up with volatile fuel that is exposed to air – and possible sources of ignition, any petrol station manager doing his job properly will not allow it on the premises – and neither they should.

5)  Putting the wrong fuel in you car and having it professionally dealt with will not invalidate the warranty of the car,

Thats the phone, ive got a misfuel at BP Gatwick North terminal, cherio!

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petrol in a diesel

what to do in a misfuel.

1) if you have not started your car after filling with the wrong fuel; DO NOT START THE CAR

inform the petrol station that you have misfuelld, or put petrol in your diesel, they will put a cone behind your car to stop drivers queing behind you, or they will help to push your car (engine off) away from the pumps.

They may have business cards behind the counter for fuel draining companys, the going rate is between 150 and 200 pounds for a fuel drain, call around and select whichever one meets your budget and time scale.if the garage has no contacts for you, try googling wrong fuel, there are many companies advertising this service and the whole of the uk is coverd

Do not call the main dealer, you will often be met with veild threats of warranty invalidation and insistance that the car be brought in for major repairs, if your car has not been started it is certain that no damage has been done and all you need is a fuel drain. once drained down and re-filld with the correct fuel you will have no further trouble

2) if you have started the car and suffer a breakdown as a result

Firstly be safe, get the car off the road and into a safe location, if you are unsure if you have misfuelld, either check the receipt or open the filler cap and have a little sniff – petrol and diesel have different smells,

do not try and start the car by repeatedley turning the engine, this will simply flatten the battery and compound the problem

all you need to do is the same as in 1, but apart from draining down the tank, they will also need to drain “south” of the filter, this means all fuel up to the point of entering the engine will need drained, then 10 litres of clean fuel will be added to the tank and this will be purged thru the lines & filter and up to the engine, this will force out the contaminated fuel and leave clean fuel in the filters and hoses. the car will take some time to start (sometimes up to 150 seconds of cranking – never cranking for more than 30 seconds at a time without a break of 2 mins to let the starter motor cool off). the cost for this should be between 160 to 220 pounds.

If you are in london or the south east and you have put the wrong fuel in your car, you can contact us at http://www.fuelfixer.co.uk for a fuel drain, or if you need help or advice on a DIY fuel drain I would be happy to advise.

All the best.

The Fuelman

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Unleaded in a diesel car

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Shogun.

Attended a Shogun Misfuel  in South London,  it had been driven on petrol (3.5 diesel) for a very short distance, and hadent started playing up yet, the owner luckily lived right next to the petrol station – so didnt have to do the “wait of shame” at the pump.

Shoguns are unusual for 4×4′s because they don’t have sender pumps in the tank, they work off of lift pumps from the engine (mechanical fuel pump that takes its drive off the fan belt) – I think the lift pump is a far better set up to an electric sender pump, fora few reasons, it saves weight, takes less power to run, and regulates its speed thru the turning of the engine directly and mechanical, which is far simpler than a sender unit picking up a signal of the engines speed making a quick calculation and then regulating the power flow to an  electric pump to control its speed, which is not very energy efficient, the trade off however is that the fuel lines that feeds the engine from the tank have to be 50% bigger than electric fed lines – to accommodate the slower flow of fuel, anyway, the car was drained in 20 minutes and after a top up ran fine, to the mans credit he had just traded in a petrol shogun for a diesel, which is among the better excuses!

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petrol in diesel in an old golf

Got called out to an old VW Golf yesterday, fairly straightforward but to get the dregs out of a golf you need to unclip the back seat and access the tank from the top panel, attached the suction pump to the tank directly and all done in 20 minutes, the lady was on her way and the golf survived!

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wrong fuel in an astra

Arrived at a fuel drain in Hammersmith tonight, a diesel astravan had been  filled up with 30 quid of petrol, I had been told that the van had been driven “for a few miles” – whilst draining it down and chatting to the customer he told me it was closer to 35 miles! – and the car had “conked out”, it’s not uncommon that a customer “plays down” the situation becuase they think we might turn down an awkward job, anyway I was there and the customer was stranded miles from home in deepest darkest hammersmith on a sunday night, I did a full drain, tank, filter, hoses, lines, pump – followed by a purge thru tank, lines, filter & pump. I thought it would start eventually (but I was expecting it to fight), amazingly first turn of the key it fired up and ran fine, and the customer was off on his way home 20 minutes after I arrived, I dont know whether to put it down to his luck, or that diesel astras are unbreakable.

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babies & diesel

Got a call from a lady a few days ago, usual story diesel in a VW eos,  I was 30 minutes away and told her to expect me in 30 mins give or take 5 for traffic, she mentioned she was pregnant and would like to be up and running again as soon as possible, I always try and get to the jobs a quick as I can and especially if someone is in distress, but I do take it with a pinch of salt sometimes, because  ”key words” get used to imply urgency, when they are not strictly true, but this one was legit – (she looked ready to pop a kid out on the forecourt), when I turned up her husband had arrived and he joked about calling the baby “Diesela” so that mum wouldn’t forget, very nice young couple and on there way in 20 minutes – in the Eos, so if your kid comes back from school in 5 or 6 years and sais there is a girl in there class called “Diesela” – its probably her!

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Predatory Dealerships

Starting to notice a pattern from main dealers, I think the word I am looking for is “thieving ****” – time and again I get to a job and find out that the client has phoned the dealer who supplied the car and been told it will cost between 700 and 1200 for a “proper fuel drain”, these are cars that have not been started that are sitting on station forecourts, this is fairly simple stuff and as much as some might like to make it seem like rocket science, it’s as simple as it gets, WRONG FUEL IN – WRONG FUEL OUT – RIGHT FUEL IN,  ”rinsing tanks – replacing fuel lines – changing filters – new fuel pump” absolute rubbish which serves no purpose other than lining your dealers’ pockets, dealers are businesses like any other and try to drum up work, they have quotas and targets like the rest of us and are independently owned and operated, some of the bigger dealerships do 100k per week in maintenance and repairs, and are much more profitable than the sales side, a main dealer would be happy to send out a recovery truck (4 hours) and bring the car in “to be looked at over the next few days”  and charge 1200 pounds to drain a tank, this is nothing more than a racket, and the only justification is that it is the “main dealer” – thus “proper” and “right” – they play on this and I don’t think it is fair.

If you have misfueled, don’t listen to the scare stories, call an independent fuel drain company, we deal with misfuels for a living, we wont carry out unnecessary work, or take advantage of your misfortune, any car can be drained on site if it hasn’t been driven, and if it has been driven for a couple of miles, we can most likely still get you running, misfuel correction is straightforward and has a very high success rate.

So, if you want to get on your way as fast as possible (in your own car), and this unfortunately happens to you, and you don’t have a spare 4 hours to wait for your dealer, or a spare £1200 to pay for it! Give us a call. 1 hour and you are on your way.

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Bad Advice Landrover

Another busy Monday, thought I would write a few words about my last job, poor lady had put 40 litres petrol in a diesel Discovery, she already had enough on her plate with work and was pre occupied when filling up,  she called land rover, who told her the car should not be started and if it is it will be ruined and all hell will break loose – “one turn of the key will ruin it” (a bit over the top), another motorist filling up told her she should just top up with diesel, another told her to get a garden hose and just suck it out, meanwhile on the phone to the aa, landrover and her husband the petrol station staff were telling her not to use her phone on the forecourt and were getting jumpy becuase she was holding up a pump at rush hour, – I was nearby when I got the call and when I arrived she was beside herself with worry and didnt know who to believe, so to put the record straight,

1) turning over a car diesel car will not ruin it, when you misfuel you will only have put the wrong fuel into the tank, the fuel lines, filter, pump, and common rail will still be full of pure diesel, starting it up to move it for 20 seconds on the forecourt will not ruin it

2) topping up with diesel and leaving a 50/50 mix, is an easy way of making a bad day much worse, if a car is driven for any length of time on wrong fuel, then things do get ugly, new fuel pumps and piezo injectors is the norm, and if a main dealer gets involved 3k is the starting point

3) siphoning with diy kit on a petrol forecourt 40 litres of fuel? – aint gonna happen, draining a tank needs an electric drain pump, the ammount of people who call me for a price to drain it and tell me they are doing it themselves  - then call back an hour or so later to ask if I can do it would fill this blog on a daily basis, many try, and very few succeed unless they have a proper pump

4) there’s a few scaremongers in the main dealer network and the yellow and orange van brigade, (the technicians are excellent but the call center staff are working off a script)

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RANGE ROVER SPORT, anti misfueling device

I got called out to a job last night in South London  for a nice young couple with a Range Rover Sport Diesel, that had been filled with 40 quid of Petrol, what was interesting is that these cars are fitted with an in-built misfueling prevention system, what happens, or is supposed to happen is that when you put in the wrong fuel, the car detects it and closes the filler neck and stops you filling up, which in this case it didnt work until 40 quids worth had gone through, The car was new and the client had been told by the dealer that “its impossible to missfuel the car” –  I think it gives a false sence of security, and put her off guard, the long and the short is that factory fitted misfuelling devices are an infant technology and I dont think they quite there yet, also they are flimsy plasticy things and I would be interested to see how they stand up over the test of time – I have already come across a few that are constantly kicking in when the car is filld with the right fuel, and being part of the filler neck its main dealer territory. anyway car was drained and filled up with the right stuff and on her way in 30 minutes , the manual for the car does have a little piece about “it is your responcibility to put the right fuel in your car and any damage that results….” – which gets them off the hook if the device plays up the book also has instructions for the reset and provides a yellow “reset tool” – which is a bit of plastic that you push down the filler neck to reset – very simple

The tool is in the boot, next to the spare tyre, it is yellow and is about 9 inches long, the instructions for using it are int the manual – which should be in the glove box, but in short, this is what you do

1) get the tool, it has 2 prongs on the end, if you look into the filler neck you will see where these prongs fit in

2) put the two prongs in the neck and pull it gently, this resets the misfuel fuel filler flap door

3) your car can now be refueld, do not refuel your car if you have misfueld – check the FAQ’s section for further details

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Dont put oil in your diesel tank!

I see allot of strange things in my line of work, and tonight was no different.

A client had filld up with petrol (into his diesel astra), and realised his mistake, he called a freind who was a “dabbler mechanic” and was told to put 5 litres of engine oil in the tank to “protect the fuel pump” – the theory of this just about stands up, and it goes like this, petrol is too thin to lubricate the fuel pump, if you put thick engine oil in it will blend with the petrol and raise the viscosity to nearer that of diesel, – like I said the theory just about stands up, but in practice is unworkable, what happens is the engine oil slides to the bottom of the tank – and stays there, it then gets drawn into the engine at high concentrations which will only further add to the problems, there are a few “home remedies” for misfuelling, this one is another unworkable one, allot of this bad advice comes from forums on the net, where “someones mates uncles brother once upon a time did blah with a bull nose transit van and it was fine”, the reality is that modern diesel engines are highley tuned and operate on narrow tolerances for fuel they dont like petrol – and they certainley don’t like straight engine oil!, so If you have misfuelld the  best bet is to get it drained any good garage can do it, or any mobile fuel mechanic, if you live in the south east I would be happy to come and do it myself.

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The BMW saddles

Just In case you want to drain your own bmw 7 series, 5 series or 3 series, some words of advice;

BMW’s by nature are low slung, they are also rear wheel drive, and have dual exhausts in most cases, which presents the designers a problem,  of “where do we put a 80 to 100 litre fuel tank on a car where space is an issue”

They answerd this question with “saddle tanks” – these look like saddles literally and hang over the transmission tunnel and exhuasts, in the fuel draining business we have another word for this which is “pain in the a***” the trouble with saddle tanks is you cant drain them from the filler neck,, well you can but you can only retrive 70% of the contents of the tank, so…..

Instructions for draining BMW, 3, 5, 6 & 7 (mid nineties onwards)

Ensure the work area complies with ATEX regulations.

Lift back seat up, this just requires a jerk on the bottom bench

Remove bench from car, take care not to let it get mucky

you have now exposed the top of the saddles, there are 2 access panels, which are obscured by the deafening foam, the foam lifts off and you now have 4 bolts to undo, undo the bolts and lift up the hatches, the sender wire will still be going thru the hatch, be carefull not to damage these. also disconnect the return line which feeds into the top – (this is a return line and cannot be used to drain becuase it doesnt go all the way to the bottom – so dont get your hopes up)

Take a moment, and remind yourself that your are in the interior of a luxury car and you are about to handle some of the smelliest liquids known to man, petrol and diesel will stain and stink for years, so be carefull.

you are now looking at the big metal donuts which hold the top of the tank and sender unit in place, unscrew the donut, and you are now looking into the fuel tank from the top.

Insert the drain tube, and start draining, when you are done, make sure you are cleaned up before you start putting the interior back together.

You can use syphon if you have the height, or an old fuel pump from a car, dont use thin hoses, this is a big tank and u need a thick hose.

Make sure you have enough fuel cans handy, and only attempt this when you are working with another person, 1 of you needs to break the syphon while one handles the hose.

when done, be very carefull to put everything back together just as you found it, do not leave anything loose or untightend, be carefull that the pushclips are properly pushed together, and the donut screwed on as tight as it was when you took it off.

and dont use the “inhale fuel” syphon method! use a priming pump or jiggle pump, both cost just a few quid, syphoning with your mouth is unhealthy, dangerous and tastes disgusting!.

I have included a picture of a tank on sale on ebay from a 7 series in The US, its the same set up, this shows clearly how the 7 series operates what is basiclly a two tank system, the only time when it is a “one tank” system is when you are filling it and the fuel pours from one to the other, they have 2 sets of flow lines, and 2 sets of return lines, and two senders, this is not too disimilair to the old jag set-up, except the old jags did have 2 tanks – becuase they hadent figured out how to fill one from the other – a problem bmw solved.

Good Luck

BMW E65 745 745I 745LI 7 SERIES FUEL PUMP GAS TANK oem

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petrol in a diesel engine

did 2 fuel drains in supermarket petrol stations today, both had a few thing in common, they were small cars, both had been filld to the brim, and both had just finished the weekly shop, luckily both hadent been started so they were on their way in 20 minutes a piece, A Hyundai and a Volkswagon 30 miles apart. On the Volkswagon – unusualy it was a Petrol fill’d with Diesel, on lookin at the filler neck I noticed it was slightly wider than most petrol necks – not an original by the looks of it

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Clever Koreans

Did a drain on a 10 plate Kia car tonight, first time I had to do one that had been started and run for 3 miles on the “bad stuff” – car had conked out and been towed to the customers house and needed a proper drain and clean out, filters – pipes, common rail etc, I was looking at the engine bay and it was as cramped as they get, not made for “field servicing” as we say, anyway on the top of the filter next to the primer was a handy little bleed nipple with a plastic cap, it turned out to be one of the easier full drains I have done, Just connected the hose to it and pulled out all the petrol and then after putting in 10 litres of diesel – pulled that through and viola, started on a few turns and ran fine – which was lucky considering the mix he had done and the fact he conked it. well thought out of the car maker – shows a bit of foresight.

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Ultimate mistake

I got called out tonight to a fuel drain, yet again at a certain chain of fuestations who shall rename nameless, They have a light blue premium petrol, and a dark blue premium diesel, the poor chap who had filld his volkswagon diesel with petrol had made the easy mistake of mixing the two up, when I pushed him back to the pump I noticed a few things,  firstly the diesel sign on the trigger was scratched out, the diesel sign on the pump had been taken off, and the Ultimate sign on the hose had been broken off, – I pointed it out to him and suggested he photograph the pump island and send off to head office and request reimbursed for my fee – and the fuel that was drained, simple enough drain and on his way in 15 minutes

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Holiday cars!

Just Done my 4th misfuel drain in a fortnight at Heathrow at 12 o’clock last night.

luckily (or as lucky as you can be when you misfuel) none of them had started their engines,I  got chatting to the drivers and found that out of the 4 of them, 3 had all been driving petrol cars on holiday, then they come home, get the diesel car out of the long stay, and the rest is history. it’s not the best thing to come home to but they were all straight forward drains and hadent been started, so on their way in 20 minutes each, including Mercedes 270cdi, 70 litres petrol on top of 10 litres diesel, peugeot 4o7 hdi 20 litres petrol in an empty tank, Landrover Discovery tdv6 13 litres diesel in a quarter tank, and an audi TT, 20 litres petrol in a half tank.

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What is Fuel Fixer?

If you have put petrol in your diesel car, or diesel in your petrol car -

1) do not start the ignition or put the key in, this will stop the wrong fuel being circulated

2) tell the forecourt staff what you have done, they will put a cone behind your car to stop people queing behind you

3) call us on 07514409700, 24 hour a day, 7 days a week we will come to you, and drain your car, we will flush out the filter and fuel lines if needed and get you filld up with the right fuel and put in a fuel additive to minimise damage, you will be on your way within 45 minutes with no harm done, our prices are from £140 and we are more competitive than the AA and green flag.  we can get to most jobs within the hour and have extra vehicles on standby in peak periods

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